Summary
Trump is nullifying federal employee union contracts negotiated in Biden’s final days.
Affected contracts include one with the Education Department ratified just before his inauguration. Trump cited a 2010 Supreme Court decision to justify his stance but did not provide a clear legal basis.
Federal employee unions, representing 800,000 workers, vowed legal action, calling Trump’s move unlawful intimidation.
This continues Trump’s prior efforts to weaken job protections, with additional plans to reclassify and lay off civil servants.
I plan to throw trumps face on the ground
Seriously…how long before someone finds a way to put one in his brain pan? Every day he pisses a new group off…it’s gotta happen sooner or later.
Of course he does. He’s a bastard.
I don’t think that is how contacts work.
It is for Trump. He routinely ignores contractually responsibilities on his part.
It is if you own the courts.
Oh nooooo. The contract AFGE couldn’t be bothered to enforce while I was a federal employee. Its getting thrown out? Good thing you didn’t invest anything into fighting for your workers under the current contract so you have all this stockpiled capital to defend your do nothing jobs.
Fuckem. Good riddance to a useless organization. I brought them every receipt they needed to nail the coast guard to the wall and they refused to stand for me. “Wasn’t in the budget” they told me. “Arbitration is expensive.” If rights only exist for the rich then they aren’t rights at all.
Ignore contracts you don’t like, 100% on brand
After he finishes off the federal employee unions, he will pursue the destruction of the private unions creating 4th World working conditions for the US labor force. For those union members who guzzle down the Orange Kool-Aid, go piss in the wind and you fucked yourselves.
I’ve read pieces on how many union members (not leaders) are drinking GOP kool aid and support Trump and trumpy stuff.
In other words, everything is propaganda, and everything is screwed :(
I wonder whether this is his play book:
- Be shitbag to workers
- Force general strike
- Demonize victims who’ve restored to only leverage to get fair working conditions (back)
I further bet it’s the one translated from Russian.
All I have to say, and I said it on that day of the RNC, but fuck that union guy for actually thinking the GOP gave 2 shots about unions after generations of fighting like Hell to gut them. Also fuck him for not endorsing the candidate who, while not necessarily a friend of unions, certainly wouldn’t have been actively working against them.
Also fuck him for not endorsing the candidate who, while not necessarily a friend of unions, certainly wouldn’t have been actively working against them.
Biden, however, was actively working against the union workers… And Harris said she would have done the same thing.
It goes back to while Trump was lying about intent to solve the problems, he at least stated publicly the problems were real.
And it goes back to Dems thinking people owe them their votes, rather than working hard to earn the votes.
Yes and to further compound the DNC fucking up messaging the vote is suppressed in the US and population center votes count for less than rural ones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/politics/restrictive-voting-laws-brennan-report/index.html
https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020
I mean I can understand him not wanting to endorse Kamala when she directly told him we can win with or without you. That doesn’t exactly sound like the kind of person you would want to endorse if they don’t even seem to really care about you or the people you represent. But yeah endorsing Trump was a stupid move, he really should have just not endorsed either of them.
I thought Harris’ tone-deaf moment was in response to him deciding not to endorse a candidate rather than the other way around. Maybe I’m confusing union bosses, but I didn’t think the guy who spoke at the RNC endorsed either ticket in the end.
You’re right there after looking into it, he didn’t endorse either but he did speak at the RNC which for a lot of people looked like an endorsement but is a little different. The quote of we can win with or without you was from a meeting the teamster’s president had with Kamala. Even if it was in response to him speaking at the RNC or showing some support to Trump that’s definitely not how you get someone to back you and in my opinion shows the attitude the Dems had to a lot of people this cycle. This idea of either you vote for us or we’ll win without you cause you have no other good choice. That attitude is not one that makes people excited to go out and stand in a 3 hour line to vote for you in a swing state. And if they keep relying on this you either vote for us or you get stuck with the bad option of Trump they’re only gonna win whenever Trump is in office and actively doing really really bad things.
Yeah, either way, it was a pretty dumb thing to say. Court the guy’s endorsement or don’t, but don’t actively denigrate the guy. He represents a sizable group of voters, and as I reminded a friend today, one of the bedrock rules of running for election is never call voters stupid (similar to saying we don’t need you to win). Everybody might “know” it, but you never ever come right out and say it. Only one guy has somehow found success doing that.
At least in hindsight, it proves her wrong and that they can’t win without the unions?
So like, maybe the DNC will be self-aware enough to reflect upon this and pivot back towards more progressive, worker-friendly policies rather than the neo-liberal garbage they’ve been espousing for the better part of the 2000s?
I almost burst out laughing at the absurdity of the above, but in the words of Jim Carey’s character from Dumb and Dumber: “So you’re saying there’s a chance?”
maybe the DNC will be self-aware
Lol
Yup, pretty much!
Yeah that would be nice but the only way I see that happening is if a Bernie like politician manages to win the primary and the election and reshapes the party like what Trump did. But reshaping it in that way is gonna face a lot more pushback from donors than compared to what Trump did. So there’s always a chance but it feels pretty unlikely without changes to election and campaign finance laws.
Finance laws, especially those related to the Citizens United case, are a massive hurdle.
Until the Supreme Court can be reigned back to sanity - things will likely remain terrible, as a majority will be needed there to re-rule on Citizens United - along with Roe, restoring the Voting Rights Act and a whole heap of others!
Just listing out those three made me physically ill; don’t let anyone who voted GOP, voted 3rd party, or refused to vote off the hook. They are all equally culpable for the slow death of democracy in the US. They are the ones that granted Trump THREE Supreme Court nominations in one term, and who knows how many more. The man is on track to likely appoint a MAJORITY to that court BY HIMSELF.
He could very well declare himself King at that point, and the court would likely rubber stamp it.
voted 3rd party, or refused to vote off the hook. They are all equally culpable for the slow death of democracy in the US.
And what exactly are you going suggesting to do to them? None of those groups like or respect you, and you’ve already been trying to browbeat and belittle them into submission for a decade, which has only alienated them more.
It’s not brow-beating anymore, to point out cause-and-effect; and honestly I couldn’t give fewer shits about what these people thought of me if I had chronic constipation.
Y’all fucked around, now you get to find out the hard way. The world won’t magically become a utopia by refusing to fight, and you won’t be spared when your time comes.
I’ll happily sit back and watch from my still (largely) functioning democracy the next ‘Fall of Rome’.
The world won’t magically become a utopia by refusing to fight, and you won’t be spared when your time comes.
The world wont magically become utopia, or even better, by supporting evil, no matter what.
So the answer to my question is you’re going to continue to do what you’ve been doing for a decade: browbeating and condescending to them. Want to talk about cause and effect? You don’t care about what they think of you, you’re not interested in trying to court them, you’re eager to continue alienating them. What effect are you trying to cause?
Y’all fucked around, now you get to find out
Two questions. One: why do you BlueMAGA liberals always talk like the most terminal reddit addicts? And two, what do you mean “y’all”? I’m not American, I don’t get to vote for which was criminal is going to bomb my family.
contracts involving federal law enforcement would be exempted
So Biden’s contracts are still legitimate if saying otherwise would upset the thug class
There you go orange man, mess with the unions.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Get up and get to it folks. Get sabotage manuals etc while you can, and try to do so using Tor.
Go Teamsters!
Throw out the Union contact? Then union members need to… go on strike. That’s the power they have, and the only reason we’ve been able to get some worker protections.
Federal workers are usually barred from striking by law, see Reagan and the ATC union of any police union.
Pretty sure Trump is barred from firing them by law… So I guess one side will follow the law and complain about it …
According to US history and labor unrest, the police will side with politicians and wealthy. I wonder how many workers will continue to wave around the thin blue line flags after they get asses kicked.
They want to destroy the administrative state. A strike only helps them further that goal. They just won’t even bother negotiating.
The reason they have contracts is so they can take this to court instead of striking.
However, after this goes through a bunch of courts and ends up in the “supreme” one…
That’s also pretty damn close to what Trump genuinely wants - for everyone currently doing the work to quit. That way he can install lackeys across the board.
Strikes normally work because the other side wants something - usually the business owner wants labor to create a product. That isn’t the case here.
I’m not saying it’s pointless, but the classic strategies will need to be rethought.
Trump, and the Republicans in general, seriously underestimate just how much stuff the US government actually does, and how much institutional knowledge is required to do it. A widespread federal worker strike would be disastrous for them, and trying to replace all of those people with lackeys would be even more disastrous, because none of them would have the slightest clue what they are doing. And yes, I’m well aware that the Republicans are trying to sabotage the government, but going about it this way would have the opposite effect; everything coming crashing to a halt overnight would drive home to voters, in a really big way, just how much it is that the government actually does for people.
That’s also pretty damn close to what Trump genuinely wants - for everyone currently doing the work to quit. That way he can install lackeys across the board.
This plan only works if employees are indeed replaceable cogs. The thought is, “If employees quit, then we can simply replace them all”. “Unskilled labor” as it were. This assumption is common in management circles.
There’s also the not-so-secret goal of dismantling the government from the inside. The Republicans have been openly running with that one for 45 years
Are there enough lackeys? If quality falls through the floor as well, won’t it just further cement how dumb this whole strategy is? We may be taking lessons that it’ll take a few years to learn but…
Probably not, when you consider that he’s also about to deport a lot of your farm and construction workers…maybe he’ll find a way to get retirees, most of who will be his supporters, back to work.
Then they just privatize it and give it all to their wealthy buddies. For the things that they will even bother replacing… They want this shit to fail and they will replace most of it with nothing.
Creation is always more difficult than destruction, and none of our society was built without some kind of need. Most people like to build with others. Some take advantage of that spirit and become leaders for the sake of leading. Only morons would simultaneously covet power and actively work against people’s basic motivations.
I am working with others to actively fight should it come to that. But no matter what, we escaped the dark ages once, we’ll do so again.
unions around the country need to join in sympathy strikes
Sympathy strikes are illegal in the US. Not saying wildcat strikes wouldn’t be justified, but there is a deliberate policy to undermine this type of broader solidarity.
Who cares if they are illegal, they want us to be afraid. I’d say do the stikes, what they gonna do arrest everyone in the country?
I mean honestly, this country has needed a good general strike for a long fucking time, for a lot of reasons.
This, at this point we’re uhh… kinda… fucked
What we need is labor to group together and start buying their own courts and judges.
I suspect that funding worker organizing would yield greater results
Half the unions will be dissolved due to lack of work shortly, anyway.
It’s time for a general strike
yes, yes it is. now how do we organize 15-30% of the country for meaningful direct action?
Federal union workers will be a good start. The rest will and must follow. Let’s fucking go!
