Anyone who blocks roads to protest is just fucking with the little people. Go block billionaires driveways or their offices, don’t bother and piss off other regular people you want on your side
Some time ago a politician in my country announced they would start treating the people who protested at highways harsher. She said “people think these people are just protestors, but they’re criminals”* and that they were “damaging the rule of law”*.
* Translated
Earlier on Tuesday, the College for Human Rights ruled that the right to demonstrate is “under serious pressure” due to the arrests of activists. They had called for the blockade of the important thoroughfare.
Yesilgöz does not respond to this criticism. She says that the Ministry of Justice and Security will look into it together with the Ministry of the Interior. The ministry is already looking into the right to demonstrate, about which reports have been published *2.
/* 2 They’re currently looking into methods to restrict the right to demonstrate.
It’s honestly really worrying how people just accept and even approve of these actions. It’s not just because people are being inconvenienced, almost everyone I spoke to never noticed it themselves and that’s honestly the scary part.
It was surreal to read about talk of extremism, social disruption and the calls for corporal punishment (by police), long jail sentences and more, all for a 5-10 minute delay caused by the A12 blockade, when the day after I was helping out at the Egmond Half Marathon there was real disruption, where people really couldn’t go places with their cars… not to mention events like the Dam tot Damloop or Amsterdam Marathon that effectively put parts of our capital city on lockdown. No calls for water cannons there.
People might say “Those are not the same!” and that’s true - sport events are not a constitutional right.
Yeah, sport events like that normally work with emergency services so that there are alternate or controlled routes for things like ambulances and fire trucks.
Meanwhile highway protests can block emergency services with no forethought. Imagine your parent died of a heart attack because EMS couldn’t get past some people blocking a road in a protest meant to inconvenience the general public who mostly already agree with their overall goals.
was sentenced to 20 months in prison for her participation in a climate protest on the M25 in 2022
This woman is one of the people that made me late to school in 2022. This woman directly inconvenienced my life and the lives of many other people who had much more dire consequences.
Absolutely 0 sympathy. Fuck around, find out
I am mildly inconvenicenced for a short term, I demand to restrict basic freedoms and go for the highest sentence!
God help I even change my life a little to protect the life of literally billions of people.
Go ahead and list those dire consequences, I’ll wait.
And late for school? You are fucking kidding right? What would you want if someone stole your bike, the death penalty? You sound like a child.
I don’t think her jail sentence should be extended for that ridiculous reason but I still don’t feel any sympathy for her
And late for school? You are fucking kidding right?
So i should give up my right to have an education because a few lunatics decided that I should listen to THEM instead of my teachers? No fucking way.
An education won’t matter if we’re all dead
Where do you go to school that the sentence, “Sorry I’m late, protests caused the traffic to come to a stop.” would force you to give up your right to have an education?
The school didn’t give out detentions for people being late that day because hundreds of students AND teachers were late. The detention wasn’t the consequence, it was the fact that people missed entire lessons, teachers couldn’t set up, it disrupted the entire day for everyone.
These morons decided that their pettiness exceeded anyone’s desire or need to work or learn. And because of that I refuse to see any reason to be sympathetic to them.
Why am I, and all the people working hard to educate themselves and others, inconvenieced instead of the gigantic oil companies that will have a greater impact on the planet in 1 year than all of us will in 100. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
That must be how innocent white people felt when their meals that they paid for were interrupted by black people illegally sitting in their restaurants. The other diners weren’t to blame. Why didn’t the protesters just go after Big Restaurant and leave the law abiding diners to exercise their right to dine in peace?
The “disruptive protests are bad” people are straight garbage pieces of shit. You know what is disruptive? Blizzards in Florida, wildfires in California and Canada, and mass migrations of island people due to oceans rising. So go fuck yourselves with this “boo hoo traffic got held up a couple minutes “ bullshit you fucking pussies.
A non-disruptive protest is masturbation.
A protest is disruption.
That’s why protests in designated protest zones out of the eyelines and more importantly away from the profit operations of those being protested are an intentional and effective method of completely neutering protest.
We have protest in the US. It just doesn’t mean anything anymore.
Except many of us who actually care about the cause say this because traffic delays and vandalizing paintings irritate the fuck out of people and set them against the cause of the protest. You can spew more profanity against for being like that if you wish, but it doesn’t change facts.
It’s like finding a way to stage a protest that just makes eggs more expensive. Yay protest! But don’t expect any good to come of it.
People hate protests even though they absolutely work because those people are for the status quo. I truly believe centrists are not actually on a line in between “right” and “left,” but rather their own node so we all make a triangle. Much of what centrists believe are not anything like what the rest of us believe, but they are cowards who DESPERATELY want to be seen as the norm, as one of us by everyone (which is why they try to claim a “center” position, while the fascists and anti-fascists both recognize there is no middle ground between the two).
Centrism therefore should not be looked at as a mix of right and left, but as a mix of mainly centrist goals and thoughts. Teasing out centrism from the left will help us progress.
https://news.gallup.com/vault/246167/protests-seen-harming-civil-rights-movement-60s.aspx
Protest all you want. I’m not getting late to work because of you. I also care about the climate, but holding up traffic isn’t going to get me on your side
I hope they don’t organise marathons or street fairs where you’re at, or worse, resurface a road.
What’re you gonna do about it then?
Yeah I know, God forbid anything interrupt my employers steady exploitation of me for financial gain
Iirc they didn’t even block the road. They hung signs and climbed into the poles above the road. The police blocked the road. This has all the energy of the police calling a protest a riot when they were the violent ones. They escalate it, blame the protestors, and people like you eat it up.
Get fucked you self-centered dickhead. Why go to work? What are you saving money for if it’s in serious danger of burning down? Can you eat your cash if it becomes worthless?
My god, so much lack of insight and foresight.
You aren’t going to join their side either way. You just care about getting to work on time. You only care about the climate as much as it affects your day to day life, so I wouldnt go around telling people I care about the climate if I was you.
Nope. Wrong again. These ad hominem attacks that assume my position do nothing to further discourse. I actively support and vote for eco-friendly parties, and would participate in protests if and only if they gained widespread traction. I’m not going to protest when most people don’t give enough of a fuck about climate. Disruptive protests will only create more dissent and worse amongst those that share the same sentiments.
The George Floyd protests would’ve never worked if they remained localized to Minnesota, were disruptive and had very few participants. It needed to be nationalized. The common people must also be united on the same goal. Most people don’t care enough about climate change yet to support disruptive protests. I’m simply trying to be practical and realise that the way most climate change activist groups are going about raising awareness isn’t working.
The JustStopOil protests have been going on for years and yet there’s been no action by any government. Wouldn’t it be smart to consider other avenues of awareness creation? A wise man once said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result”.
A wise man once said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result”.
Vote harder next time!
+1
If you want the protesters gone, vote for the party that will give in to their demands. You seem like a practical sort who only cares about results. Give them what they want and they’ll go away.
Who told you I don’t already vote for eco-friendly parties?
Good. Next step: write an email to your representative saying you’re sick of these protesters and you want the government to do whatever they say so they’ll go away.
Protest all you want. I’m not getting late to work because of you
So are you gonna plow through them? Sounds like a sane response to being late for work.
And if you care about the climate I have bad news - we would already be on the same side, but you only care up to the point that it will impact you personally, and that is why you suck.
we would already be on the same side, but you only care up to the point that it will impact you personally,
We would already be on the same side, but you’re more focused on “making Jaywalking a Felony”.
JSO does not stand for “Just Stop (everyone except) Oil”.
That’s because you only care about the status quo. Congrats, you’re part of the problem. Remember that if you’re ever confronted with rising flood waters with your boss saying you can’t leave. Just repeat “ I want this”
I’d rather see disruptive action taken against gas stations, ICE car dealers, muffler shops, and other entities directly associated with the oil industry.
When JSO stops asking lawmakers to make “jaywalking” a felony offense, and they eventually get around to actually “stopping oil”, let me know.
Nice, you completely misinterpreted my comment. Applaud yourself 👏👏
They didn’t.
You just didn’t like the translation of your words into their consequences.
Most Nazi civilians weren’t evil in any special unique way. They just didn’t care about any moral framework more than they cared about not having the status quo broken.
It’s an aspect of the banality of evil.
Your attitude, sadly the most common attitude, is the main driving force for the most heinous of outcomes.
Here it is being used to justify the literal end of the fucking human race and turning our planet into Venus.
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“I’m not being late for work “. The rest was to make that statement not what it was.
If she had just attacked some police officer during Jan 6. she would have been free.
Instead she disrespects Big Oil that’s upholding the American core values.
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She’s British and this happened in GB
Ups I missed that.
Guardian is british, so she should have dumped sewage or murdered a trans woman if she wanted to go free.
This Kafka-esque bullshit is all intentional to scare other protesters.
Exactly.
These protests are often enough extremely mild but get prosecuted like terrorist, while much more violent protests get a slap on the wrist at max.
Here in Germany, right wing farmers protested by illegally blocking entire cities with their tractors, much worse interruptions than the glued-to-the-street teenager, and they actually threatened violence. Yet, only a handful of them got any form of legal trouble, and that only for petty stuff.
Guess, which protesters threatened the status quo and which just wanted more money out of the system?
thats sort of similar to the Exxon Valdez spill and the Alaskan fisherman blockading their waters. It sort of went the same, the fisherman got a good deal, but then a few years later another judge changed the deal to fuck over the fisherman.
Oh we had the farmers block a city here in the UK too.
Some washed up, abusive, TV presenter worked them up when the government changed the laws to inheritance tax that he had avoided by buying a farm.
Yeah, no one was arrested there either.
