The “disruptive protests are bad” people are straight garbage pieces of shit. You know what is disruptive? Blizzards in Florida, wildfires in California and Canada, and mass migrations of island people due to oceans rising. So go fuck yourselves with this “boo hoo traffic got held up a couple minutes “ bullshit you fucking pussies.
That’s why protests in designated protest zones out of the eyelines and more importantly away from the profit operations of those being protested are an intentional and effective method of completely neutering protest.
We have protest in the US. It just doesn’t mean anything anymore.
Except many of us who actually care about the cause say this because traffic delays and vandalizing paintings irritate the fuck out of people and set them against the cause of the protest. You can spew more profanity against for being like that if you wish, but it doesn’t change facts.
It’s like finding a way to stage a protest that just makes eggs more expensive. Yay protest! But don’t expect any good to come of it.
People hate protests even though they absolutely work because those people are for the status quo. I truly believe centrists are not actually on a line in between “right” and “left,” but rather their own node so we all make a triangle. Much of what centrists believe are not anything like what the rest of us believe, but they are cowards who DESPERATELY want to be seen as the norm, as one of us by everyone (which is why they try to claim a “center” position, while the fascists and anti-fascists both recognize there is no middle ground between the two).
Centrism therefore should not be looked at as a mix of right and left, but as a mix of mainly centrist goals and thoughts. Teasing out centrism from the left will help us progress.
Protest all you want. I’m not getting late to work because of you. I also care about the climate, but holding up traffic isn’t going to get me on your side
This is one of those nuanced positions that it appears Lemmy users are incapable of understanding.
It’s possible to simultaneously care about climate change and acknowledge that some protests are counter productive.
If you’d said “I don’t like to stop at the altar to pray for climate change action on my way to work because it seems pointless” that would’ve been a statement.
I think the core problem is that the majority of people just don’t care. The US just elected a president who will take no action. Protesting isn’t going to make people care.
Iirc they didn’t even block the road. They hung signs and climbed into the poles above the road. The police blocked the road. This has all the energy of the police calling a protest a riot when they were the violent ones. They escalate it, blame the protestors, and people like you eat it up.
Get fucked you self-centered dickhead. Why go to work? What are you saving money for if it’s in serious danger of burning down? Can you eat your cash if it becomes worthless?
You aren’t going to join their side either way. You just care about getting to work on time. You only care about the climate as much as it affects your day to day life, so I wouldnt go around telling people I care about the climate if I was you.
Nope. Wrong again. These ad hominem attacks that assume my position do nothing to further discourse. I actively support and vote for eco-friendly parties, and would participate in protests if and only if they gained widespread traction. I’m not going to protest when most people don’t give enough of a fuck about climate. Disruptive protests will only create more dissent and worse amongst those that share the same sentiments.
The George Floyd protests would’ve never worked if they remained localized to Minnesota, were disruptive and had very few participants. It needed to be nationalized. The common people must also be united on the same goal. Most people don’t care enough about climate change yet to support disruptive protests. I’m simply trying to be practical and realise that the way most climate change activist groups are going about raising awareness isn’t working.
The JustStopOil protests have been going on for years and yet there’s been no action by any government. Wouldn’t it be smart to consider other avenues of awareness creation? A wise man once said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result”.
If you want the protesters gone, vote for the party that will give in to their demands. You seem like a practical sort who only cares about results. Give them what they want and they’ll go away.
Good. Next step: write an email to your representative saying you’re sick of these protesters and you want the government to do whatever they say so they’ll go away.
Protest all you want. I’m not getting late to work because of you
So are you gonna plow through them? Sounds like a sane response to being late for work.
And if you care about the climate I have bad news - we would already be on the same side, but you only care up to the point that it will impact you personally, and that is why you suck.
That’s because you only care about the status quo. Congrats, you’re part of the problem. Remember that if you’re ever confronted with rising flood waters with your boss saying you can’t leave. Just repeat “ I want this”
I’d rather see disruptive action taken against gas stations, ICE car dealers, muffler shops, and other entities directly associated with the oil industry.
When JSO stops asking lawmakers to make “jaywalking” a felony offense, and they eventually get around to actually “stopping oil”, let me know.
You just didn’t like the translation of your words into their consequences.
Most Nazi civilians weren’t evil in any special unique way. They just didn’t care about any moral framework more than they cared about not having the status quo broken.
It’s an aspect of the banality of evil.
Your attitude, sadly the most common attitude, is the main driving force for the most heinous of outcomes.
Here it is being used to justify the literal end of the fucking human race and turning our planet into Venus.
The “disruptive protests are bad” people are straight garbage pieces of shit. You know what is disruptive? Blizzards in Florida, wildfires in California and Canada, and mass migrations of island people due to oceans rising. So go fuck yourselves with this “boo hoo traffic got held up a couple minutes “ bullshit you fucking pussies.
A non-disruptive protest is masturbation.
A protest is disruption.
That’s why protests in designated protest zones out of the eyelines and more importantly away from the profit operations of those being protested are an intentional and effective method of completely neutering protest.
We have protest in the US. It just doesn’t mean anything anymore.
Except many of us who actually care about the cause say this because traffic delays and vandalizing paintings irritate the fuck out of people and set them against the cause of the protest. You can spew more profanity against for being like that if you wish, but it doesn’t change facts.
It’s like finding a way to stage a protest that just makes eggs more expensive. Yay protest! But don’t expect any good to come of it.
People hate protests even though they absolutely work because those people are for the status quo. I truly believe centrists are not actually on a line in between “right” and “left,” but rather their own node so we all make a triangle. Much of what centrists believe are not anything like what the rest of us believe, but they are cowards who DESPERATELY want to be seen as the norm, as one of us by everyone (which is why they try to claim a “center” position, while the fascists and anti-fascists both recognize there is no middle ground between the two).
Centrism therefore should not be looked at as a mix of right and left, but as a mix of mainly centrist goals and thoughts. Teasing out centrism from the left will help us progress.
https://news.gallup.com/vault/246167/protests-seen-harming-civil-rights-movement-60s.aspx
Protest all you want. I’m not getting late to work because of you. I also care about the climate, but holding up traffic isn’t going to get me on your side
This is one of those nuanced positions that it appears Lemmy users are incapable of understanding.
It’s possible to simultaneously care about climate change and acknowledge that some protests are counter productive.
If you’d said “I don’t like to stop at the altar to pray for climate change action on my way to work because it seems pointless” that would’ve been a statement.
I think the core problem is that the majority of people just don’t care. The US just elected a president who will take no action. Protesting isn’t going to make people care.
I hope they don’t organise marathons or street fairs where you’re at, or worse, resurface a road.
What’re you gonna do about it then?
Yeah I know, God forbid anything interrupt my employers steady exploitation of me for financial gain
Iirc they didn’t even block the road. They hung signs and climbed into the poles above the road. The police blocked the road. This has all the energy of the police calling a protest a riot when they were the violent ones. They escalate it, blame the protestors, and people like you eat it up.
Get fucked you self-centered dickhead. Why go to work? What are you saving money for if it’s in serious danger of burning down? Can you eat your cash if it becomes worthless?
My god, so much lack of insight and foresight.
You aren’t going to join their side either way. You just care about getting to work on time. You only care about the climate as much as it affects your day to day life, so I wouldnt go around telling people I care about the climate if I was you.
Nope. Wrong again. These ad hominem attacks that assume my position do nothing to further discourse. I actively support and vote for eco-friendly parties, and would participate in protests if and only if they gained widespread traction. I’m not going to protest when most people don’t give enough of a fuck about climate. Disruptive protests will only create more dissent and worse amongst those that share the same sentiments.
The George Floyd protests would’ve never worked if they remained localized to Minnesota, were disruptive and had very few participants. It needed to be nationalized. The common people must also be united on the same goal. Most people don’t care enough about climate change yet to support disruptive protests. I’m simply trying to be practical and realise that the way most climate change activist groups are going about raising awareness isn’t working.
The JustStopOil protests have been going on for years and yet there’s been no action by any government. Wouldn’t it be smart to consider other avenues of awareness creation? A wise man once said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result”.
That’s not true. Government have indeed acted in response to JSO protests.
They have increased penalties for jaywalking and obstructing traffic.
Vote harder next time!
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If you want the protesters gone, vote for the party that will give in to their demands. You seem like a practical sort who only cares about results. Give them what they want and they’ll go away.
Who told you I don’t already vote for eco-friendly parties?
Good. Next step: write an email to your representative saying you’re sick of these protesters and you want the government to do whatever they say so they’ll go away.
So are you gonna plow through them? Sounds like a sane response to being late for work.
And if you care about the climate I have bad news - we would already be on the same side, but you only care up to the point that it will impact you personally, and that is why you suck.
We would already be on the same side, but you’re more focused on “making Jaywalking a Felony”.
JSO does not stand for “Just Stop (everyone except) Oil”.
That’s because you only care about the status quo. Congrats, you’re part of the problem. Remember that if you’re ever confronted with rising flood waters with your boss saying you can’t leave. Just repeat “ I want this”
I’d rather see disruptive action taken against gas stations, ICE car dealers, muffler shops, and other entities directly associated with the oil industry.
When JSO stops asking lawmakers to make “jaywalking” a felony offense, and they eventually get around to actually “stopping oil”, let me know.
Nice, you completely misinterpreted my comment. Applaud yourself 👏👏
They didn’t.
You just didn’t like the translation of your words into their consequences.
Most Nazi civilians weren’t evil in any special unique way. They just didn’t care about any moral framework more than they cared about not having the status quo broken.
It’s an aspect of the banality of evil.
Your attitude, sadly the most common attitude, is the main driving force for the most heinous of outcomes.
Here it is being used to justify the literal end of the fucking human race and turning our planet into Venus.
👍
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edit: lmfao, that one impotent downvote.
“I’m not being late for work “. The rest was to make that statement not what it was.