The Trump administration has begun flying undocumented immigrants from the US to a military detention facility at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, the White House press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, said on Tuesday.
Leavitt told Fox Business Network that at least two deportation flights were “under way”, but gave no further details.
Her comments, however, appeared to confirm reporting by the Wall Street Journal, citing an anonymous official with knowledge of the operation, that about a dozen immigrants were onboard one flight from Fort Bliss, Texas. The newspaper said an additional flight had departed on Monday.
CNN later reported one of the flights had “about nine or 10” people onboard who were detained in the US without valid immigration documents.
JFC.
ive been seeing some supposed marxists spreading a narrative that the deportations havent actually increased with trump, that he’s just been advertising what was already going on in previous governments, to please his supporters.
Is this thing of sending immigrants to guantanamo a new thing? are the deportations worse than before? is the narrative i mentioned a big distortion of reality?
Guantanamo is new ripple as far as the broader public is aware.
Deportation hard numbers don’t fluctuate much from admin to admin.
The process in how they’re deported was handled a lot differently under Trump than previous. More saber rattling and human rights concerns.
i see, thank you
it’s definitely increasing under trump already….
but go ahead and cite your claims.
To my fellow Americans:
You may think you are above this and since you voted you are guilt free but today, and every other day since the election, you are MAGA and no one watching from the outside will take the time to ask who you voted for.
If you think you are powerless you’re wrong, your power just isn’t concentrated into a swimming pool of $ signs. You can do more then vote you can elevate your brother. Everyday, you can elevate someone you know who will fight for your cause. At the grocery, you can let them in line in front of you, on the high way you can let them pass, in the town hall you can let them speak, every day you have the power to lift up those around you.
Yesterday, inspired by the news about mass depaorations, i watched a documentary on the Final Solution.
Among a lot of interesting things, one thing stood out to me: The original Nazis were afraid that the german people would not only reject genocide, but also reject the idea of jews (aka. their neighbors) being sent to brutal labor camps.
So they produced propaganda movies depicting the city Theresienstadt as a spa town. And then told the public that the jews would be sent there to be protected from the increasingly antisemitic public.To lull victims into a false sense of security, the SS advertised Theresienstadt as a “spa town” where Jews could retire, and encouraged them to sign fraudulent home purchase contracts, pay “deposits” for rent and board, and surrender life insurance policies and other assets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_Ghetto
Nowadays, you can just tell the american people:
Hey, we are gonna send your neighbors to a torture camp. Great camp. Lovely camp. Most brutal camp of the world.
And they are like: Yessss, finally a solution to the migrant question.
I can also recommend Life Under Adolf Hitler: The First Years Of Nazi Germany.
I feel like a lot of blunders hinge on underestimating how racist the average person is.
I am almost done migrating away from all US businesses as a result of this. I am even drinking freeway cola 😅
I work in IT as a freelance DevOps/Cloud engineer and am advising all my clients to migrate away from AWS etc.
Even sold most of S&P 500 and reinvested into an all-world ex-US ETF.
Thank you for your service
Heyy !
Just curious what you recommend your clients now ?
This is a good start:
https://european-alternatives.eu/
Mostly moving to hetzner. It’s a bit rough around the edges but works.
One big thing missing is there is no good and affordable WAF. Myra is good but costs at least 10k/month.
Has the Orange Turd installed the ovens yet?
They’ll do when they realize that’s the only way to fit 30,000 immigrants into a torture camp that can hold < 1000 inmates.
By May 2003, the Guantanamo Bay detention camp had grown into a larger and more permanent facility that housed over 680 prisoners, the vast majority without formal charges.
How are undocumented immigrants being deported usually handled? I’m assuming, unless the undocumented person gives ICE a country, they usually have no idea what an undocumented immigrant’s nationality is and the undocumented immigrant usually doesn’t want to give a country cuz they left for a reason.
So what was happening to deported undocumented immigrants before 2025?
definitely not an expert but i believe they’re allowed a trial and can apply for asylum if they’re scared to go back to their country. at guantanamo i do not believe they have that right.
The correct name is concentration camp. it is very important that people understand that this is a concentration camp.
The term “concentration camp” and “internment camp” are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law.[2] Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as “concentration camps”.[3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp
the new death camps outside of Germany’s prewar borders could be kept secret from the German civil populace.[40]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
The fact that this camp is being set up outside the jurisdiction of the rule of law makes it a concentration camp and makes it 100x worse than any other immigration prison
Is Guantanamo considered “outside the rule of law”? Hopefully journalists will be allowed there to report freely in the treatment and conditions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
the U.S. Department of Justice claimed that habeas corpus—a legal recourse against unlawful detention—did not apply to Guantanamo Bay because it was outside of U.S. territory.
The Bush administration maintained that it was not obliged to grant prisoners basic protections under the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva Conventions, since the former did not extend to foreign soil and the latter did not apply to “unlawful enemy combatants”. Various humanitarian and legal advocacy groups claimed that these policies were unconstitutional and violated international human rights law;[5][6] several landmark U.S. Supreme Court decisions found that detainees had rights to due process and habeas corpus but were still subject to military tribunals, which remain controversial for allegedly lacking impartiality, independence, and judicial efficiency.[7][8]
They absolutely should be allowed to. It is an American basd and the rights of the prisoners there must be upheld and monitored.
First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out
Because I’m one of the good ones… i did not speak out because premature Nazi comparisons diminish the Nazi crimes and are antisemitic.
We’ll have to wait for at least 5 million gassed before we can think about Nazi comparisons.
/s just in case.
Thank God he setup a prison camp to hold all the Trumpists and billionaires while they are waiting to be guillotined. That’s going to come in handy.
The point of Guantanamo Bay is that it’s not under Cuban law and also not quite under US law. So they really want to be able to do anything to the people they deport there.
Having seen some of these leopards-eating-my-face stories, I expect there will be Trump voters who are surprised to suddenly find themselves being tortured in Guantanamo Bay. It’s very frustrating because everyone did try to warn them.
Hopefully it’s just Trump supporters getting that waterboard treatment.
Where are you going to send them? Many times the immigrants home countries deny they are their citizens and refuse to accept them back. What do you do then?
Good question. Where to put them, when the camps are full? How much money is it going to cost to imprison millions for life? Is there a more efficient solution?
Your brain right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA_uJOnAnoQ&t=1456s
Sometimes deals can be arranged with countries of origin (or nearby), even if it takes time and diplomatic effort (and probably some compensation to the receiver).
If that fails, and anyways until that succeeds (if ever), you still have to treat these people as humans with dignity and rights.
If they are criminals, they serve their time like anyone else.
But first and foremost, if only for pragmatic reasons, society should look for ways to integrate these individuals in a way which benefits everyone; as a productive member. Most people don’t strive to live in misery, and they probably came to your country in hopes of a better future. Help them build that, and everybody might win.
The alternative is to become a monster yourself and still have no answers.
They’re sending them to their auntie’s farm up north
Are you suggesting that imprisoning them indefinitely is somehow the correct solution?
It’s a fair question. Got nothing better than to deflect with another question?
OP is asking for a solution. I ain’t got it. Do you? I’m listening, really I am.
Suppose it doesn’t matter what we think as this administration will do whatever the fuck they please, but it’s at least a fair intellectual exercise.
The first part of doing this intellectual exercise should be to eliminate the obviously unacceptable options. For example we can pretty definitively say, right off the bat, that a concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay is not worth considering even for a moment.
OP is asking for a solution
Tell me, does the first one I suggest have to be my final solution, or am I allowed to workshop?
Asking for a solution to the question of what to do with a type of person. That’s the reason the Nazis built concentration camps too.
Turns out you don’t actually need to imprison people in extrajudicial torture camps, you can just treat them with a shred of human decency instead.
Like we’ve been dealing with immigrants for centuries, practically every nation has, we don’t need a ‘final solution’, we can process them individually and find solutions dynamically based on the needs and situation of the individual. Sometimes that means deportation, sometimes it means granting asylum, and sometimes it means working with our allies to find a suitable destination. Imprisoning them in Guantanamo bay is not a solution, it’s a pretense for extermination.
It’s such a fair question that literally at no other time in America’s history did a president feel the need to use an extrajudicial torture prison as a deportation zone. WhAt CoUlD pOSsiBlY bE tHe AlTeRnAtIvE?! Idiot.
Im not sure that’s accurate given how racist many presidents were.
There is “no correct solution”. What would you suggest?
Giving everyone a reasonable path to citizenship. Immigration is good. It’s good economically, culturally, and morally. The only argument against immigration is bigotry.
Who says they’re planning to send them anywhere?
That is what deportation means, to send them back to their country of origin. If their home country refuses to accept them or denies they are their citizens then what do you do then?
Well, for now they’re being deported to Guantanamo Bay. That doesn’t necessarily mean they will then also be deported to their home countries. I could very well see the Trump administration keep thousands of people there indefinitely and have them do slave labor (which is legal in the US).
The unwritten implication is that they will be used for slave labour, tortured, and/or killed. It really depends on how fascist and violent Trump wants it to get. Guantanamo Bay is not outfitted for mass detention, so you connect the dots.
So it is your belief that Trump is going to move thousands maybe 10’s of thousands of immigrants to Guantanamo Bay to enslave, torture, and murder them. Do you even know how ridiculous you are?
Oh hey look, an idiot/Nazi!
Notice how I didn’t say murder, I said killed. That can easily happen in detention facilities due to neglect and lack of medical care, especially as it gets crammed full of too many people. I’m not saying there’s no possibility that there will be murders, but I definitively did not say murder in my last comment because no, it is not my belief that Trump is planning to exterminate migrants at this current point in time. The labour and torture is probably imminent though, Guantanamo is pretty famous for it.
Yeah, I mean, such a thing has never happened before. How ridiculous. Transporting thousands or even millions of people into camps to let them work themselves to death or to just kill them. Nobody would ever do such a thing!
When is a prison camp not a prison camp? When it’s run by the USA! 🥴
It’s not a prison, they’re just concentrating them there.
“when it’s a jarhead’s”
there’s close potential idfk
Sure would have been nice if Obama or Biden had actually closed Guantanamo Bay when they had the chance.
I liked to find silver linings where I can, and what I’m hoping is that when the shambles of the American government finally get back into Democratic hands (or whatever opposition party replaces them, at this point) there will finally be a realization that actual for real change is needed. Democratic politicians have been just treading water for decades now.
Biden’s administration used the camps Trump created to deport people.
I’m not American so I could be way off but didn’t they try but were blocked by Republicans? At the very least they reduced the count of inmates to only the more complicated ones (ie. where do they get sent to, what do we, do we completely fried this guys brain, etc)
Yeah I remember Obama wanted to close it, but then the big question of where to move the prisoners to in the US had to be answered, and nobody wanted to hold them. It was politically dead at that point.
From what I recall about the reasoning behind abandoning the idea of closing Guantanamo Bay, the only options were releasing them in central park or keeping them in Guantanamo Bay.
I could definitely see that being a right wing talking point at the time.
Obama could have pardoned the prisoners and apologized for holding them for many years without trial, in blatant violation of the plain text in the US Constitution.
Non-citizens detained in war don’t have the same rights as US citizens.
Some of those people were guilty and should have been tried and jailed here (provided they could safely be held here).
Some of those people were guilty and should have been tried and jailed here
if so, why weren’t they tried and sentenced?
Because placing them in Guantanamo meant no one had to actually figure out where/how to house these people safely.
Isn’t that what jails are for? in USA you have a ton of those I hear… if these people were guilty of anything, surely there would be zero trouble charging them (specially in the Kangaroo Military courts of the USA). Once convicted you can put them in any jail of your liking
Unfortunately, I’ve just seen the “opposition” just fall in line. A bunch of spineless geriatric Nazi sympathizers.
I hope we all survive long enough for that to happen
Hahaha
Bold of you to assume that’ll happen in our lifetime.
Right, because what Trump is doing is Biden’s and Obama’s fault…
As much as I hate trump, and boy oh boy do I hate him and elon so much I refuse to even capitalize their names, this is something that Bush started, and then Obama and Biden (and ESPECIALLY OBAMA) had the golden opportunity to do something about during their terms, Obama could have shut it down in 09-10 specifically with the full backing of congress; and they both chose to do nothing and let it remain.
So now we get humans rights violations being committed on migrants instead of just “terrorists”.
Yes Trump is expanding on the human rights violations Obama and Biden put in place.
Take Trump’s order to construct a migrant detention centre in Guantánamo Bay – a space that has for years operated outside international law despite outcries and appeals for closure. Hundreds of prisoners were kept there under military law, often following rendition, disappearance and torture at CIA black sites. Trump’s proposal to detain tens of thousands of migrants there is an outrageous move, but it is not an aberration. He is building, literally, on what came before him.
“Like many of Trump’s authoritarian attacks on human rights, this one has shameful precedents in US history,” Vince Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, told CNN. “Long before the second Bush administration used the facility to hold and abuse nearly 800 Muslim men and boys as part of its ‘war on terror’, the first Bush administration held Haitian refugees there to try to deny them their rights under international law.” The prison, in fact, currently houses detained migrants in a facility called the Migrant Operations Center. Last year, the Biden administration awarded a private contractor over $160m (£130m) to run the facility.
You say Biden and Obama put in place, and then copy/paste something that a president prior to them in office did. What exactly are you saying they did?
Did the $130 million Biden gave to a private contractor to run Guantanamo appear out of thin air?
