Summary
Tesla’s registrations in France dropped 63% in January, their lowest since August 2022, far outpacing the broader total EV sales’ 0.5% decline.
Tesla registrations across EU countries fell 13% last year, with Germany accounting for much of the decline.
Sales in Germany, Tesla’s biggest European market, also fell 41% last year due to an aging lineup, competition, and subsidy cuts.
CEO Elon Musk’s political involvement, including support for Germany’s far-right party, may be affecting demand.
ELMO will surely sue the French customer for it.
Wait for it.
Yes, that’s it. Drag the French masses into this situation. I like the cut of their gibs.
Signed, random American.
And they haven’t even slapped a bunch of tit-for-tat tariffs on them yet.
Good keep it going!
The interesting part of the story is not so much that Tesla is losing – it’s who is winning. Electric vehicles are in MASSIVE demand throughout the world. The USA has responded more or less by putting an iron curtain in place against BETTER electric vehicles produced elsewhere. Sure, our governments use some scary words around Chinese imports, but look at their cars in isolation, especially BYD. By almost any metric you can imagine, BYD products are superior. The USA is temporarily putting their head in the sand about China. However, make no mistake, in other markets where there is FAIR competition, America’s lunch is getting eaten. This cannot go on forever. Hopefully our US auto producers get their heads out of their ass and start competing instead of relying on tariffs to level the playing field. Tarriffs can make Tesla competitive domestically, but if you want to dominate the world, this is almost certainly not the way forward.
The EU has so many much better EV makers it is crazy. Siemens, Altsom, CAF or Talgo are superior in every way.
Give me a break.
Hate on Musk all you’re pleased, I’ll join you. But I can’t deny how much better tesla was vs every other brand I’ve test driven (Ford, Kia, Polestar mg etc). Their software is unmatched unfortunately. Until we get another brand do this shit right, tesla will be the top car. EV is only as good as its software. Most other brands are half a decade behind.
Again, if you have experience and disagree? I’m happy to discuss! I’d love to hear about your experience with brands I haven’t tested. But 90% of comments here likely never driven Tesla and are just spewing bullshit because they dislike Musk. It’s fine not to buy a car because of it, but trying to mental gymnastics into the car being bad makes people look like complete idiots.
I’m sure there will be smart asses here talking about quality control or software recalls, so what? Sell so many of anything and you’ll have bad apples. You think other brands haven’t got those?
EV is only as good as its software.
Well… as a current Tesla owner and previous owner of 5 different cars (one of em french!) I have to say that this car has had the worst hardware I’ve ever experienced. And it sure brings down the experience a tad when – let’s say – your side door window physically cracks because it failed to raise the window by half a centimeter, so it crashes into the car side when you try to close it. Or when the hinge in the boot just breaks randomly and the remote fix-r-up guy cannot do anything about it. Or when the side mirror just stops working because it’s chilly outside.
But sure, the software is pretty ok. And some things remain pretty nice, like the acceleration.
I never owned a tesla, i only know people who own and have owned teslas and it’s a mixed bag. It’s really not as simple as “car very good” and “car very bad” the biggest problem with the early gen tesla (imo) is that they aren’t really thought out in many many places. My mechanic friend bought an early gen tesla for cheap and we started to pull it apart because it made odd noises. I have never seen such a weird ass car. They just glued in neoprene (or whatever that is) and other parts into the body panel for some reason. Well one reason is that the car collects dirt in the panels. And i mean i pulled out buckets of dirt from that car. The interior is incredible cheap lookjng and feeling. A lot of things in that car was just bizzar. It was like a show car, that wasn’t ment to drive because everything seemed so flimsy so they just added stuff to make it not fall apart.
A guy i know ordered a then new tesla (around 2021) he was supposed to get the car in august that year, they delivered it around christmas. He’s a real fanboy and he was so excited for that car. When they delivered it, the car was absolutely shit. Panel misalignment is normal with these cars, but this was crazy, and not just panels, also interior and the car rattled and what not. He didn’t accept it and the delivery guy told him the car just goes to the next guy on the list until someone accepts it. So he got another car in march or so. His windshield broke a bit later and it took them 8 month to get a new one, and because they don’t have a real garage, he delivered it and they took it somewhere. It was gone for a long time and they didn’t just change the windows, they also changed out the drivetrain and didn’t say anything. This part is speculative to be honest, but it usually doesn’t take more than a month to change the windscreen and when we put the car on a lift, the frivetrain was suspiciously clean compared to the rest of the car. They denied everything tho. These are my first hand experiences, and reading the problems other tesla owners have, it’s pretty clear that quality, quality control and customer service is like dead last on the list.
That’s really a matter of opinion. I love CarPlay and prefer it to Tesla’s screen. The voice recognition is just not as good and fails most of the time when I ask it to dial or send a text message. It lacks WhatsApp integration, and my favorite podcast app just doesn’t work with Tesla’s system and never will.
Hyundai feels more comfortable both in seats and interface; I prefer actual buttons rather than trying to scroll through menus at high speed to turn on and off car features. Non-round steering wheels and lack of turn stalks should be banned for safety. I feel safer glancing at a speedometer in front of me rather than glancing away from the road so often. And Hyundai Ioniq cars have much better self driving on highway compared to what Tesla has, as Tesla keeps nearly clipping trucks or going out of lanes forcing me to take over far too often. I even like the auto park features.
But this really is a matter of opinion and preference.
I have a Tesla (it’s 4 years old, dont kill me. I wouldnt buy one now. I would unbuy it if I could. Fuck Elon, fuck Tesla) and my boyfriend has a new Hyundai Ioniq 5. The Ioniq is a really cool car, no problems yet with it so far, but the Tesla absolutely demolishes it from a software/end user standpoint.
It is definitely the best non-Tesla EV I’ve played with so far, though, but I am so glad he decided on it over a 2nd Tesla. I dont think I could look at him anymore if he bought one at this point…
EV is only as good as its software
That’s odd, because usually when I’m driving a car, the only software I really need to do its’ job is the powertrain control module and I haven’t noticed that being so bad in literally any manufacturer.
The software part is odd to me too. I build weird electric vehicles for fun. Things like gokarts, bikes, rc cars, drones, whatever. My favourite part about electric vehicles is how easy they are. Battery goes to speed controller, speed controller goes to motor. Motor spins when it gets a imput. Obviously there is a bit more going into in when you build a real car. But not that much.
Tesla cars are a mixed bag (for Europeans, at least).
The software is good (although it got worse, many things now require multiple touches, which is really bad when driving), and it is better than every other brand I know.
But a lot of other aspects are suboptimal. E.g. the insulation is sub-par, resulting in more noise. The assistance systems are really bad, the car tried to kill me multiple times on the Autobahn. The cameras are bad when it’s dark outside, often I have to guess what I see in the rear camera when parking. The placement of the rear camera leads to dirt on it, I have to clean it every day to be able to use it. Etc, pp.
Nothing is so bad that I would advise against a Tesla, but these are many small paper cuts I was not used to in other brands.
That said: don’t buy a Tesla. Musk is a Nazi. Don’t support Nazis, punch them.
That said: don’t buy a Tesla. Musk is a Nazi. Don’t support Nazis, punch them.
Should I buy a car from the manufacturer that was founded by Adolf Hitler instead?
With all the good arguments against VW you had to pick the dumbest.
Pretty sure it’s a joke and the Electric Vehicle here are trains, as those 4 are train manufacturers. Regarding your (small) rant, no opinion, but the joke is funny and the electric train is the superior mean of transportation.
I get the joke, Siemens isn’t making cars obviously. But the sentiment stays. I’m in UK, our trains are nowhere as good as the mainland Europe ones unfortunately.
Are you expecting someone to say “I never heard of those” so you can share some gem of niche industry knowledge with us?
Sigh. Alright. “I never heard of those”.
Hint: None of those companies make electric vehicles.
What do you mean? Trains are vehicles.
Sure, but that’s not relevant. Unless you’re suggesting that people buying a train is a better idea than buying a Tesla.
I think they were suggesting that in Europe there’s a way best passenger train network and it’s possible to live without a car.
Those are all train manufacturers.
Oh, right, so we are all very dumb for not recognizing that and also op is very enlightened because he has already arrived at the conclusion that public transport is the only valid form of transportation while the rest of us still thinks that electrically driven automobiles (*snort*) might be anything of value.
Alright, imma head over to the designated corner of shame, see you guys over there.
Any day now, Elon Musk’s failures will catch up with him and then we can dance on his grave of failure.
Stupid nerd who never accomplished anything!
Couldn’t happen to a “better” man
Sadly, he’s already tapped the US Treasury like a Keg.
Whenever I see a Tesla, I immediately think of those fucking neo-Nazis and his weekly chats with the bastard Vlad.
Looks like Elon Twittered Tesla.
Hop damn
Or he Xed it out.
He did not see that coming
He let that sink in.
I work in tech in Germany. My coworkers and I are the ideal Tesla customers. Nobody I know would consider buying a Nazi car.
Call it a swasticar, Elmo hates it.
Stfu
Does T stand for tits?
Are you in need of help?
What? Swasticar and elmo are your triggers?
Sorry i had a moment. But theres no point to putting so much effort into expressing hatred for tesla and i just think its kind of obnoxious. I get it but just dont buy them.
We’re not talking about disagreements over sports teams, Musk is using people’s money to scam a ton of people and influence elections by pushing extremists into government and openly break laws. He’s a malignant individual.
Just because its a serious topic doesnt mean circlejerking suddenly becomes a good use of time.
What do you think circlejerking is and why?
Swasticar.
That didn’t take a lot of effort.
Tesla deserves raw, spend your whole night raging online, never buy, avert your eyes hatred.
Because they aren’t just associates with, but are an extension of, a demonstrably dangerous to billions anti-democratic greedy Nazi wannabe (which is a Nazi in common parlance).
No respect, no apathy, no acceptance of Nazis when the corpses of the last ones to barely beat them at the cost of a generation are barely cold.
That’s actually really insightful. You see hatred as primarily having an effect on the target. I see hatred as primarily having an effect on the hater.
It really is two ways of thinking.
I see a fight-or-flight response to a threat and a decision made. Stressors are a two way street and the fight choice doesn’t always or even often leave both sides unharmed.
Yes okay but i we can hold that conviction without being constant with it. If it did something positive then I wouldnt critcize it. Seems pointless.
I feel like no matter what animal people use to insult a human, the human is usually worse than the actual animal. Even with snakes. Muskrats are sweethearts, they just swim around ponds and tag along with beavers.
Snakes, rats, sharks, and pigs. These are all beautiful animals, but describe terrible humans. These animals don’t deserve the association. I agree with you, and maybe we should stick to double-crossers, snitches, shysters, and cops or find other catchy names that work.
He’s not worth the wasted filament…
what if we created it from grinding up tesla bumpbers
Can’t say I can blame them for not wanting to give their money to a Nazi.
The people who buy electric vehicles are left-leaning people who believe in climate change. If I were a major Tesla shareholder I’d be howling to have Musk ejected while the company still has a chance to retain some goodwill.
Unfortunately his fan Bois are all nazis now. They may claim they aren’t but nazis lie.
There’s a difference between “elon fan bois” and the various shareholders in Tesla and potential electric car buyers.
I’m specifically talking about fan bois that currently own Tesla. I am amazed at the number of fellow owners that say they will still by Tesla. Lots of them own stock and think as long as share price goes up, that nothing is wrong.
Why? Shareholders do not care about the health of the company so long as its stock price is high. And Teslas stock price is not based on any fundamental principle of investing.
Their market cap, or the total value of all their shares, is currently worth more than the next 30 largest auto manufacturers COMBINED.
Let me put it this way: Every single car sold in the United States this year could be made by Tesla and they still wouldn’t even be close to being worth what they are right now based on company fundamentals. Thats how insane this is. Shareholders of the company couldn’t be happier and yet their company is declining in sales and killing off its customer base. Absolutely insane.
People are still betting big on Tesla’s self driving and other technological advances.
Value of a stock isn’t just the current market success, but also perceived future value.
That said, Tesla is overvalued for sure.
I think that type of speculation is acceptable usually but their self driving tech hasn’t significantly improved in a while and has been out for years, so those expectations should be mostly priced in by now.
You add that to their falling sales figures and the fact that they spent crazy money developing cyber truck and have had multiple recalls on it already, the stock is completely out to lunch. Usually they’re somewhat in touch with reality. Like Apple is a bit out to lunch but its movement is still news-based somewhat. Not the case with Tesla, they’re not out to lunch they’re out till next year in Tahiti
I’d say they’re more betting on his ability to convince road safety regulators to allow his automated death trap Johnnycabs onto American roads.
The product isn’t the cars. It’s all the data he’s vacuuming up from the rubes who keep buying them.
I’m sure Tesla gathers data, but pretending that a $50,000 car isn’t the actual product is pretty silly.
Why? Shareholders do not care about the health of the company so long as its stock price is high.
And so long as it continues to remain high as long as they remain shareholders. Do Tesla shareholders really think Tesla is going to keep its value? Do they think that what Musk is doing as CEO is really helping enhance that value? I mean, when was the last time he actually did any work as Tesla CEO?
The secret ingredient is crime. Telsa is too big to fail in the fact the private market makes so much from it. The only way it crashes is is someone gets greedy enough to short musk and take his place.
Too much glue damages the brain
That’s an interesting take. Doesn’t make much sense, but it’s interesting.
No they don’t think it will hold that value, yes they think that musk is helping enhance it (and I agree), no they don’t think his actions as CEO are helping their core fundamentals, and quite possibly his last actions were years ago unless you count him being at their press events as work.
This isn’t unique to Tesla btw, they’re just the largest example. Nvidia is also right behind them.
That sounds like a bubble that needs a pin 📌
They already hedged their bets long ago. Only main Street is gonna be left holding this bag. Yall need to get real. The world is falling apart and people still think the rich are gonna do something.
I don’t think you understand what “hedging their bets” means.
It means they invested a few of their spare billions into opposing technology and companies while you sit at home deciding if you are buying eggs or milk this week.
You dropped this 🤡
So, they’re not Tesla shareholders?
Shock, you can own shares from multiple companies at once. Competitors, even.
Ah, so they no longer care about how their Tesla shares perform, because they’ve invested in multiple companies. Gotcha! You’re great at investing, I can tell.
Ah, so you’re one of those “deliberately misunderstand” trolls. Goodbye.
There’s another factor that jumps to mind when I think of cars in France: they buy A LOT of French cars! I don’t have any statistical data, but it feels like half of the cars on their roads are French… And now that their manufacturers’ offer of EVs is starting to flesh out, they probably prefer buying “local”.
As far as I know, Renault sales is ramping up.
I mean, have you seen the new R5? Sexy!
Was in France for 3 weeks on holiday and saw almost exclusively Citroën, Renault, and Peugeot. My rental car was a Renault E Tech and after driving it,I looked into importing one to the USA (sadly it’s not possible for regulatory reasons).
Nissan, Renault and Mitsubishi share platforms. Mexico has Peugeot and Citroen. Who knows, maybe the Canadians will open up to the French automobile brands as Mango Mussolini continues to fuck GM, Ford and Stellantis (North American operations).
Mexico may have French brands, but here in Sonora (I live in on the USA side), I’ve never seen any. Actually learned something new haha.
Renault E Tech and after driving it,I looked into importing one to the USA (sadly it’s not possible for regulatory reasons).
That’s hilarious taking into account European standards are stricter than US. US industry clearly don’t like competition.
French cars are banned in the USA (also we use CCS1, moving to NACS, while y’all use CCS2 everywhere), but we have Volvo, Pollstar, and German brands everywhere. I wanted a Volvo for my new car, but they’re not rated for towing horses in the USA like they are in Europe (USA versions are rated half the towing capacity than in Europe).
