Summary
Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff, in a CNN interview with Jake Tapper, failed to specify any Russian concessions in a potential Ukraine peace deal despite detailing demands on Ukraine.
After claiming a “friendship” with Putin, Witkoff spoke vaguely about “territorial” and “economic” concessions from both sides. He also claimed a U.S.-Ukraine deal on raw earth minerals would be signed soon.
When confronted with Russian state TV footage suggesting Trump’s stance aligns with Putin’s, Witkoff insisted diplomacy requires communication.
His remarks fueled concerns over Trump’s approach to Russia and Ukraine.
It doesn’t matter, we’ve all had enough of Zelenski.
Our could war enemy has the president of the United States in his pocket.
Trump just looks so weak here. So much for being a strongman. I guess he just likes being manhandled?
He might let us have Alaska. Trump’d probably take that deal.
Who is “us” to you in that sentence?
The United States of Woosh
Their concession is sending someone to listen to the Trump guy.
We all knew the so-called “peace deal” was going to be rough but “US takes this half, Russia takes that half” is a new low even for him.
The EU needs to step up it’s war machine. More manufacturing, more army, more WMDs. If we can’t rely on the US then we need our own.
Sure, all that is expensive, but not half as expensive as not having it. There’s a lot to be said for having a big stick you never have to use.
We all knew the so-called “peace deal” was going to be rough but “US takes this half, Russia takes that half” is a new low even for him.
Its pretty on par, being honest.
I mean, last time, it was Poland.
Yewah poor bohy
Weird way to spell capitulation.
Its “Molotov-Ribbentrop”. That’s the term you’re looking for.
It certainly reeks of this.
Should keep negotiation going, don’t make any deal with Krasnov Trump too early. Always say it is due to US betrayal in Budapest Memorandum.
Because there aren’t any
Well at least he did not lie then!
President Krasnov is a fucking bitch
Might be.
Didn’t see Biden make an effort for a peace deal.
Trump’s “peace deal” is the violent rapist’s buddy “just lay down and take it to stop being beaten up” kind of ‘end to violence’.
One literally needs to have no Moral or Empathy whatsoever to think that the victim stopping resisting and letting the rapist finish himself off in the victim with no resistance and then walk away with no consequences is a “good” outcome.
Supporting this “deal” is a pretty fulproof way to out yourself as an unrepentant baddie.
Because Russia did not want peace. “Why are Russia interested in a peace deal now then?”, you might ask. Because Trump is not going to negotiate them a peace “deal”. He is going to give them victory.
The peace deal proposed by Trump is “Ukraine just take the fattest L known to any country in the last 100 years and be ok with it, and thanks for the rare earth minerals”. While the US didn’t deliver much support compared to EU.
Wtf is the point of your military if it’s not for peace keeping?
The US donated the most money by a wide margin lol we should fuel the war indefinitely and not opt for peace between both parties?
Granted, Trump could have said it in a more neutral manner, I don’t agree with what he said about Zelenskyy, he still has the right idea to try to offer peace rather than let it stew into a nuclear war.
You can root for Ukraine to decimate Russia all you want, but war produces dead bodies of all ages and I’m sure you’ve never seen that carnage before.
You should familiarize yourself with eastern Europe history which is basically “life is pain because my neighbor is Russia” they live horrid poor lives because the aggressor had their way.
Ukraine’s future safety is only guaranteed by signing under NATO. Otherwise Russia is simply allowed to fuck around without finding out
The path toward peace is not “let the blatant aggressor get everything they want without concessions.” Usually, if you want peace, you tell the instigator to knock it off or MAKE them knock it off. Otherwise, all that’s learned is they can do it again, consequence-free.
This is false, the EU donated more than the US. Trump says otherwise, yes, but he is lying.
Nuclear war is exactly what Trump is risking right now. Russia will go to war again if Trump gives them “peace”. Only next time, they will attack a NATO country.
I wasn’t going off Trump , I checked sites like statists and others before posting. However , his claim of 350 billion was quite an exaggeration.
We’ll just have to wait and see what happens. Trump did say one thing that made sense. There is an ocean between us and Ukraine, the EU should be more involved than the USA.
The EU is starting to ramp up their donations recently. Perhaps that was Trump’s intent. Dare we give him credit? Lol
If the US wants to be involved or not is up to you guys, that’s fair. It’s our cause, first and foremost. But what Trump is doing now is not “not getting involved”. He is actively sabotaging and siding with Russia. I’d be fine if he just shut up and minded his own business, but he is very much involved right now and even says Europe should not take part in negotiations. So on the one hand, he says it’s Europe’s cause, but on the other, he acts like it’s his his own cause. It’s once again Trump being Trump.
Y’all never cease to amaze me with how ignant you can be
Ignant? Have you ever been in war? I’d rather see peace in that region. I know you hate Putin mostly because you associate him with Trump, that’s “ignant” lol
No, I hate Putin because he’s a fascist piece of shit and a murderer. Lmao been hating him since before Trump was ever a household name… don’t give him that kind of credit I didn’t pay attention to him until he started campaigning for the 2016 election.
That actually made me laugh out loud. Putin is 1000x worse and more dangerous than Donald Drumpf’s clown-ass
That’s good, I’m glad you hate Putin for the right reasons
I couldn’t care less about what a lying fascist enabler like you think about it.
I think for myself, you clearly don’t. I bet you don’t even know what the word “fascist” means.
I’ve only said that I want peace in that area and stated that I don’t agree with how Trump is trying to obtain it.
Go back to playing in the sandbox with the rest of your nose picking friends.
What are they talking about?!? Russia is obviously conceding half of Ukraine for the next 3 to 5 years. It is absolutely gracious of them to allow the people in Ukraine to borrow that territory until Russia feels like actually ruling it again!
/s
I remain unimpressed by CNN reporters because he has not asked the most important question: What will guarantee Russia’s adherence to any kind of peace deal?
It’s boring to repost it the Nth time but the 1994 Budapest Memorandum was quite clear about these matters:
- Respect the signatory’s independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
- Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories…
- Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest…
- Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”.
Yet, putin kicked nearly every single point in the memorandum the moment he felt ready. Why would the same leader act differently in the future?
It’s earily similar in my view to the Abraham accords. Trump negotiated bypassing Palestinians and then we got Oct 7 and the war that spiraled from it. These “deals” are as flimsy as a CyberTruck, but it’s also very trumpy. He gets to act like a peacemaker and then his successor will deal with the consequent shit. Same thing happened in Afghanistan.
While I understand your perspective, the Abraham accords are different because they are deals between Israel and other countries, without including Palestine. Here the deal would be between the main protagonists Ukraine and Russia.
The security guarantees will likely need to be provided by European countries, although Russia seems against having troops from any NATO member country in Ukraine.
they are deals between Israel and other countries, without including Palestine. Here the deal would be between the main protagonists Ukraine and Russia.
That’s exactly my point. The present style of negotiations makes the impression like this was a deal between Russia and USA.
The present style of negotiations makes the impression like this was a deal between Russia and USA.
Because it is.
Agree.
I’m not sure about that. The US Secretary of State met with Zelenskyy in Munich before meeting with Lavrov in Saudi Arabia. There was also a US envoy in Ukraine a couple days ago to conduct additional discussions with Zelenskyy.
For now, the US is playing a mediator role and talks to each side separately.
For now, the US is playing a mediator role and talks to each side separately.
No, the US is trying their own Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Let’s say that there is an honest, clear, standard diplomatic protocol running as you described. Trump’s concurrent activity, specifically mentioned in this interview, sets the tone and not in a positive way.
Yes, let’s wait and see what actually happens.
CNN was bought by a right wing shitbag. They are FOX News in a trench coat
Well Palestinians were involved with negotiating the Oslo accords, and that gave rise to Hamas anyway. Palestine is a fascist society and as you say there isn’t much point in having an agreement with fascists unless there’s some kind of military force to ensure they follow it. At this point Palestine is just a proxy in Iran’s “Axis of Resistance” and it doesn’t seem like Iranians much care how many Arabs die so long as it hurts their enemies. It makes sense for Arab countries to work together with Israel against their common adversary of Iran. Trying to keep normalized relations between Iran’s adversaries as some kind of motivator in a vain hope that Iran’s proxies will suddenly make a peace agreement separate from the country that’s funding them is a little naive.
With Ukraine it’s the opposite way. It’s Russia that’s the fascist society and yeah, there needs to be military guarantees that they won’t do as Hamas does and just build up their forces and strike when it suits them while ignoring any agreement made.
Oh, man, the white colonialist invader’s propaganda never ceases to be an entertaining parroting of the “it’s the natives whose land we stole and whose children we murdered who are violent barbarians and the real baddies” same line as used way back in the 19th century against Indian tribes in America and the natives of the territories occupied by the British Empire.
“They’re the real Fascists for not laying down and taking it whilst we as a self proclaimed ‘people chosen by <divinity>’ rape them!!!”
Trully, Zionists have Western Values - specifically, the Western Values from two centuries ago.
The point I was making is that you can’t make lasting peace through flimsy one-sided negotiations, but the trump brand of peacemaking is about quick “results” with single-presidential-term durability that solves very little on the long run, just pushes the problems to the next presidential term (which may be his own this time…).
Your comparison of Hamas and Russia doesn’t only lack nuance but blatantly ignores crucial geopolitical differences in worldwide influence, military might, and general motivations, which are all totally beside the point of the present discussion.
Uhh… you brought up how it’s similar to the Abraham accords without any kind of nuance. I added a small amount of additional detail. But instead of accepting your initial comparison lacked nuance, you’re trying to play the uno reverse card which is an immature (and dishonest) style of discussion.
If someone ignores all the cues about the discussion’s context (trumpian peace) let it be implied (thread’s topic; my first post), or explicit (“the point I was making” and beside the point of the present discussion), they shouldn’t complain about the discussion’s style either.
