Summary

French President Emmanuel Macron urged Europe to “wake up” and strengthen its defense in response to Donald Trump’s second-term inauguration.

Highlighting potential U.S. policy shifts, including reduced support for Ukraine and a military pivot to the Pacific, Macron emphasized Europe’s need to reduce reliance on U.S. security.

He called for increased European military spending, robust aid to Ukraine, and guarantees for its security post-war.

Macron’s remarks underscore concerns about U.S. disengagement and aim to prompt Europe to play a larger role in global security.

  • Klnsfw 🏳️‍🌈@lemmynsfw.com
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    9 days ago

    Don’t be fooled. Nothing that’s happening in the US shocks him.

    He’s expressing a logic of block against block to defend the interests of the French ultra-rich (Arnault, Bettencourt, Drahi, Saade, Bolloré…)

    And in his vertical conception of politics, France must naturally lead the European bloc, and he must naturally lead France.

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      9 days ago

      He’s not shocked but he is preparing. Europe’s planned defense against Russian imperialism has traditionally counted upon the USA to assist Europe. There’s a much greater chance of that not happening should Putin attempt to project force westward. Europe needs to plan on moving away from their traditionally closer toes to the USA

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    10 days ago

    So is he going for the hypocrisy world record, does he think we’re all idiots with no memory of his tenure in government, or is this just a ploy to enrich his buddies in the MIC?

    I’m gonna go with D: all of the above.

  • TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
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    Macron referred to expected changes in Washington’s foreign policy, citing the need to reduce reliance on the United States for security.

    As an American, I also urge Europe to reduce its reliance on the US, for security or anything else. You’re going to want to insulate yourselves as much as possible from my unbelievably stupid, and potentially very dangerous country.

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        10 days ago

        This is what gets me. I remember the war stories my grandparents told, I remember the nightmares my grandfathers had. These boomers are throwing away a country their PARENTS fought for, to people their PARENTS fought against. It only took one fucking generation to brainwash them.

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            10 days ago

            Boomers are the core, but they’ve gotten some reinforcements from Gen X and Millenials. The good news if there is any is that not enough of Gen X and Millenials are MAGAts to carry an election without the Boomers, so in another couple decades if a bunch of Gen Alpha doesn’t turn real stupid we might have a chance.

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              10 days ago

              That’s been the rhetoric for as long as I’ve been alive. “Maybe if we wait for the next generation…”

              Maybe if people fucking showed up at all, we’d have this fucking licked. Turnout has been historically high the last few elections… and it’s still atrocious.

              This isn’t on the people who show up, it’s on the people who don’t. I don’t care how much you don’t like the options available, deciding to abstain in this is saying you want someone else to think for you cause you don’t feel like it.

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          The thing is, it was a close one that first time around. Prior to Pearl Harbor there was a small but strong pro-Nazi movement in the US. That’s part of why the US was being moderately hands off during the start of WW2. Sure the US was shipping supplies to the UK, but in the grand scheme of things that wasn’t much.

          Japan really fucked up by attacking the US as there’s a pretty strong argument to be made that that one action determined the outcome of WW2. There’s an alternate history out there where Pearl Harbor didn’t happen and the US either never took part in WW2 or else entered far too late to make a difference and the Axis powers ultimately won.

          Turns out the pro-Nazi faction in the US never really went anywhere, they just got quiet for nearly a century. Lets hope we can shut them up this time again.

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            Of course they never went away. Same thing happened with the US civil war; they didnt finish the job (and id argue it was probably the same groups).

            Clearly, “the scouring of the shire” is not an optional part of the story.

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        I’m quite literally feeling sick about this. My grandpa fought these fuckers, only for my family to elect them again.

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        WW2 - Democratic America and Communist Russia, joining together to fight Fascist Europe

        whatever this shit is - Fascist Russia and Fascist America scheming over how they’ll divide the world.

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      Strategically, this was probably the right move. At that point, the results were in. We can’t change what happened, only where we go from here. Kissing his ass is a case of Tragedy of the Commons.

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      Apparently you can’t spell Le Penn, or tell the difference between her and Macron.

      Macron no more pushes France and EU towards the Trump Nazi intolerance narcissist path than Biden did. Like Biden Macron is trying to prevent it. Problem is Biden failed.
      While for now Macron has been successful.

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        Macron’s last two governments (the current one and the previous one) were formed with an agreement with the RN. It’s the only thing keeping him in power right now.
        Macron personally has had a worrying amount of comments towards minorities, former colonies, women, LGBTQ people and such.
        Members of his current government have links to the far right and Christian conservatives. (Like Darmanin or Retailleau). The previous government was also filled with pro forced birth, reactionaries, racists, homophobic people. Most of them millionaires.
        Macron’s policies have massively increased inequality in France, our education system and healthcare are in shambles, ecology is barely an afterthought.

        So no, Macron is NOT fighting the far right, you could argue on semantics about actively helping them (like he’s not financially or physically helping them), but all of his policies, ministers and actions have tipped the balance pretty far right. And he’s massively responsible for it.

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        Macron no more pushes France and EU towards the Trump Nazi intolerance narcissist path than Biden did.

        Exactly, Macron or Starmer or Scholz is pushing Europe just as much towards far right as Biden did with his lack of populist economic policies.

        Sorry brother but you aren’t going to lib yourself out of this problem. It’s going to have to be at least social democracy (not third way but actual strengthening of trade unions and taxing the rich) or fascism and war.

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        So when his minister of education said that there was an “islamo-leftism” problem in French universities, that was Lepen’s fault? What about when his interior minister told Lepen that he fault she was getting a bit too soft on immigration? Or when Macron himself said, about two weeks ago, that African countries should thank France for all it did to them? Or when he told us that the left was as dangerous as the far-right?

        I could go on for pages

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          there was an “islamo-leftism” problem in French universitie

          I’m not aware if there is, but I agree Islam is bad for EU, and we would be better off without it.
          That said people have their religious freedom to believe what they want. But I really really would prefer if they’d stop believing Islam.
          Christianity is bad too, but Islam is currently probably the worst major religion on the planet.

          BUT!!! Generally the ones on the left are not NEARLY as bad as the Islamists on the right. It’s on the right you find the orthodox, and the most extremists.
          There are branches of Islam that are moderate, and I don’t mind them anymore than I mind my grandmother going to church on Sundays.

          A lot of Muslims are very nice people, I had Muslim friends when I lived in Copenhagen, but they are nice not BECAUSE of their religion, but DESPITE it.

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    10 days ago

    Should have thought of that when he blocked the socialist plurality from choosing their prime minister, forcing again a right wing clown.

    I surely hope the French can resist le pen