After the combative Oval Office meeting, Trump wrote on Truth Social that Zelenskyy 'can come back when he is ready for peace,' upending talks to ending the war in Ukraine.
He could have waited until they finish talking and say exactly what he was going to say. It came out unprofessional. Not that Trump is professional, but Trump is a Trump and in the end Zelensky was there to ask for support. Instead he tried to demand it. Dumb.
I’m sorry. A lie should be called out immediately, not allowed to be inserted into the discussion by the awful shithead delivering said lie. What you’re asking Zelinsky to do here is fight with both hands tied behind his back, for ‘decorum’. That’s bullshit and you know it. Zelensky called Trump and Vance out on their bullshit. I don’t think he gives two shits about some rando on the internet and their belief on what the ‘proper’ way to deal with Trump’s bullshit is. IMO, he did what he had to do, And now he needs to pivot away from the USA for support because we did the awful thing and elected the Shitgibbon TWICE.
Oh my God. Zelensky was there to negotiate the deal that he himself has proposed. He was just sucking so hard at his job as a politician that he couldn’t ducking do it properly. Being righteous and all means absolutely nothing at that level.
If he just kept it under control, the press would barely mention the conference, he would have proceeded to get security guarantees behind the closed doors and people would have stopped dying.
Right. If you believe this, I really can’t help you. It’s like you watched a different video than I did. Trump and Vance lied like fucking rugs in this, and baited the fuck out of Zelensky. But gotta keep that decorum to satisfy some rando on the internet. I’d love to say what I find you to be, but the mods would come down on me like they should be coming down on you for your other comments. But looking at your downvotes compared to downvotes to what you’re replying to? I think that stands on its own. ;)
I didn’t know what comments you are reading, but so far I’m the one being personally attacked.
I don’t care about downvotes or about being banned. As Rick said, your boos mean nothing, I have seen what makes you cheer. Just because everybody refuses to see the truth, it doesn’t mean that it’s not truth. And the truth is that Zelensky is incompetent at his job and that’s the only reason this negotiation has failed. By the way, he was the one who asked for this meeting through macron. He never should have come and would be in better position. He understands it himself which is why he posted his pathetic xitter comment trying to restart the convo with Trump and will probably succeed at that.
If you feel you’re being attacked, report the attacks, and the mods MAY remove them. They ride us on the Left far harder than they ride the people coming in from outside and pushing conservative memes like the idea that Zelensky is incompetent here in this channel. Maybe you’ll get a few of us silenced. :)
I don’t normally report things like this because I want everyone to see what is going on here. Number of upvotes on personal attack comments tells me a lot about this community too.
You are not the final arbitrator of what a personal attack is. The mods are. Just because you say you are being attacked doesn’t mean you are. It just means you can’t handle your ideas being criticised. And trust me. The mods ride us lefties far harder than they ride the people coming in here to spread right-wing ideas. Look at how long it took them to deal with Universal Monk, and how many of our comments got muzzled for daring to try to correct him.
Bye now. I don’t want to risk attracting them to me again. :|
He could have waited until they finish talking and say exactly what he was going to say. It came out unprofessional.
So he was just supposed to sit there and say nothing while Vance dresses him down like a cuck for the world to see?
World leaders don’t do that. Macron didn’t let Trump finish when Trump was lying, and neither did Stammer. Zelensky shouldn’t be expected to do it either.
Not that Trump is professional, but Trump is a Trump
That is absolutely no excuse. Plus, it was Vance who started it. He knows better, and chose to insult Zelensky anyway.
and in the end Zelensky was there to ask for support.
Asking for support does not and should not require the political equivalent of having to go on live television and beg mommy and daddy for a few table scraps while they tell you that you aren’t being thankful enough for being allowed to sit at the adults table in the first place.
Their whole purpose was to make Zelinsky come over and kiss the ring, and then embarrass him in front of the world stage. They had Russian media there, but AP and Reuters were banned. MTG’s husband asked why the man didn’t wear a suit. And Vance and Trump just kept dressing him down over and over again. The whole point was to embarrass the man on the world stage to please almighty Putin.
Instead he tried to demand it. Dumb.
The man stood up for his country, and refused to turn himself into one of Trump’s cucks. He was perfectly willing to kiss the ring until they decided that he needed to be humiliated too.
Vance had no rights to be there, the only reason he was is so they both could gang up on Zelensky in front of the cameras and bully him, Trump probably felt he was unable to do it alone.
They even got MTG’s pathetic boyfriend in on the act with that question about the suit. The whole meeting was nothing more than an ambush meant to humiliate a man who is not in a geopolitical position to properly defend himself. Vance admitted as much. They’re upset because Trump didn’t make up dirt on Biden to help Trump in 2020 and showed up to stump for Harris last year.
Literally nothing changed for him. At the price of being slightly uncomfortable he could have saved his country. Now he condemned countless lives to the death. Because he couldn’t what? Sit quiet for a minute? Hold his tongue? I bet any> of those people dying right now on the front line would beg him to do it
I have. I’m just holding you to the same standards as you are holding Zelinsky to, and also testing the Mods out to see if they’ll equally apply the rules about personal attacks, too.
He could have waited until they finish talking and say exactly what he was going to say. It came out unprofessional. Not that Trump is professional, but Trump is a Trump and in the end Zelensky was there to ask for support. Instead he tried to demand it. Dumb.
I’m sorry. A lie should be called out immediately, not allowed to be inserted into the discussion by the awful shithead delivering said lie. What you’re asking Zelinsky to do here is fight with both hands tied behind his back, for ‘decorum’. That’s bullshit and you know it. Zelensky called Trump and Vance out on their bullshit. I don’t think he gives two shits about some rando on the internet and their belief on what the ‘proper’ way to deal with Trump’s bullshit is. IMO, he did what he had to do, And now he needs to pivot away from the USA for support because we did the awful thing and elected the Shitgibbon TWICE.
Oh my God. Zelensky was there to negotiate the deal that he himself has proposed. He was just sucking so hard at his job as a politician that he couldn’t ducking do it properly. Being righteous and all means absolutely nothing at that level.
If he just kept it under control, the press would barely mention the conference, he would have proceeded to get security guarantees behind the closed doors and people would have stopped dying.
Right. If you believe this, I really can’t help you. It’s like you watched a different video than I did. Trump and Vance lied like fucking rugs in this, and baited the fuck out of Zelensky. But gotta keep that decorum to satisfy some rando on the internet. I’d love to say what I find you to be, but the mods would come down on me like they should be coming down on you for your other comments. But looking at your downvotes compared to downvotes to what you’re replying to? I think that stands on its own. ;)
I didn’t know what comments you are reading, but so far I’m the one being personally attacked. I don’t care about downvotes or about being banned. As Rick said, your boos mean nothing, I have seen what makes you cheer. Just because everybody refuses to see the truth, it doesn’t mean that it’s not truth. And the truth is that Zelensky is incompetent at his job and that’s the only reason this negotiation has failed. By the way, he was the one who asked for this meeting through macron. He never should have come and would be in better position. He understands it himself which is why he posted his pathetic xitter comment trying to restart the convo with Trump and will probably succeed at that.
If you feel you’re being attacked, report the attacks, and the mods MAY remove them. They ride us on the Left far harder than they ride the people coming in from outside and pushing conservative memes like the idea that Zelensky is incompetent here in this channel. Maybe you’ll get a few of us silenced. :)
I don’t normally report things like this because I want everyone to see what is going on here. Number of upvotes on personal attack comments tells me a lot about this community too.
Riiight.
You are not the final arbitrator of what a personal attack is. The mods are. Just because you say you are being attacked doesn’t mean you are. It just means you can’t handle your ideas being criticised. And trust me. The mods ride us lefties far harder than they ride the people coming in here to spread right-wing ideas. Look at how long it took them to deal with Universal Monk, and how many of our comments got muzzled for daring to try to correct him.
Bye now. I don’t want to risk attracting them to me again. :|
Nope.
See ya
So he was just supposed to sit there and say nothing while Vance dresses him down like a cuck for the world to see?
World leaders don’t do that. Macron didn’t let Trump finish when Trump was lying, and neither did Stammer. Zelensky shouldn’t be expected to do it either.
That is absolutely no excuse. Plus, it was Vance who started it. He knows better, and chose to insult Zelensky anyway.
Asking for support does not and should not require the political equivalent of having to go on live television and beg mommy and daddy for a few table scraps while they tell you that you aren’t being thankful enough for being allowed to sit at the adults table in the first place.
Their whole purpose was to make Zelinsky come over and kiss the ring, and then embarrass him in front of the world stage. They had Russian media there, but AP and Reuters were banned. MTG’s husband asked why the man didn’t wear a suit. And Vance and Trump just kept dressing him down over and over again. The whole point was to embarrass the man on the world stage to please almighty Putin.
The man stood up for his country, and refused to turn himself into one of Trump’s cucks. He was perfectly willing to kiss the ring until they decided that he needed to be humiliated too.
I fully agree. But to add to it:
Vance had no rights to be there, the only reason he was is so they both could gang up on Zelensky in front of the cameras and bully him, Trump probably felt he was unable to do it alone.
They even got MTG’s pathetic boyfriend in on the act with that question about the suit. The whole meeting was nothing more than an ambush meant to humiliate a man who is not in a geopolitical position to properly defend himself. Vance admitted as much. They’re upset because Trump didn’t make up dirt on Biden to help Trump in 2020 and showed up to stump for Harris last year.
Literally nothing changed for him. At the price of being slightly uncomfortable he could have saved his country. Now he condemned countless lives to the death. Because he couldn’t what? Sit quiet for a minute? Hold his tongue? I bet any> of those people dying right now on the front line would beg him to do it
You don’t bow down to dictatorial filth unless you’re a republican piece of trash.
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Nice personal attack.
You should read the rest of this thread.
I have. I’m just holding you to the same standards as you are holding Zelinsky to, and also testing the Mods out to see if they’ll equally apply the rules about personal attacks, too.
They’ve already deleted some of my posts replying to this cretin.