Radical Psycho Machine (RPM) Racing for the SNES!

Fun fact, this was one of the few games that played entirely in the SNES’ High Resolution graphics mode!

Already answered, it doesn’t matter, and it doesn’t matter.

Because sovereign nations have the right to decide who is and who is not allowed across their borders, and they also have the right to take reasonable measures to expel those who are present in their country without permission.

Not quite sure what the past 8 years have to do with the Panamanian government, but I am certainly in the “I’m not going to assume that Panama of all places is running a concentration camp until I see some actual evidence of it” camp, especially when they probably don’t want these migrants anyway, and don’t seem to have a reason to vindictively mistreat them like the US does.

Source that the Panamanian location is a concentration camp? Random Twit-heads don’t count.

They sent people to the jungle without shelter.

I suppose that’s possible, but Imma need a source for that claim, because it’s definitely not in the article I read. That seems more like the sort of blind, knee-jerk reaction the twit-head in the pic is intending to elicit with their inflammatory one-liner.

Do you really think they plan to meet all of their needs?

All of the needs required of a brief detainment before repatriation? Yeah, I see no reason why Panama wouldn’t do that, especially since they probably want these people out of Panama as soon as possible.

And if they are just doing their best to cope with the migrants, then the US is responsible for sending them to a place that could not handle them.

They seem to be handling them just fine. I agree that the US sending them there was a dick move, and probably an attempt at strongarm tactics on Trump’s part, but Trump being a dick doesn’t suddenly mean that Panama is running a concentration camp, as the talking head is asserting to make people angry enough to engage en masse with their “content”.

Whether the US is following its laws or not has literally nothing to do with whether this Panamanian location is a concentration camp, which is the talking head’s claim and the entire point of this comment chain.

The US is calling the shots, you admitted they might not be following the law, and yet you expect the US to follow the rules they create and break? That’s a very niave outlook on global politics.

It would be, if, once again, the specific day-to-day operation of these camps had anything whatsoever to do with the US, which it doesn’t seem to.

Please read carefully this time:

This is not a US camp. This location is constructed and operated entirely by the sovereign government of Panama, and we have no evidence that the Panamanian government is doing anything that could be construed as being a concentration camp. If anything, Panama is likely being forced by the US to detain these people against their will, giving them even less incentive to mistreat them, especially since these camps are now international news.

Lol, not that controversial - Dalton is my favorite Bond after Brosnan, and both of his movies are in my top 5 (actually I think The Living Daylights might be number 6 on my list - can’t remember exactly).

I think Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Is Not Enough are hugely underrated. TND is way ahead of its time and almost prescient on a modern rewatch, and TWINE does a fantastic job with its twist Bond girl villain (even if it was the start of the absolutely horrible trend of forcing M into the middle of every plot going forward). Die Another Day is pretty bad though, which is unfortunate, as it gets off to a great start.

But I agree with you - the Craig films are just not Bond movies, and other than Casino Royale, I basically never rewatch them.

I’m pretty sure it’s also lined with inflammatory rhetoric, so I think I’ll just keep reading original sources and waiting for facts that are supported by evidence.

The fact that people will be leaving the Panamanian camp as soon as next week, according to the article, meaning that it really does seem intended to be temporary.

Also, Imma need a source on your claim that they’re exposed to the elements. Meeting their material needs is perfectly appropriate for the sort of temporary situation being described.

Ehh, Bond hasn’t been worth watching for 20 years now anyway. At least now I have a reason to start completely ignoring the series.

The US allows legal asylum. Whether the US is correctly following their own laws with regard to legal asylum is a completely separate issue from whether or not this Panamanian site is a concentration camp, as the talking head is asserting in an incredibly emotionally manipulative manner.

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere in this thread, people here seem really intent on conflating their own thoughts on immigration in general with the actual situation being described in the article.

I’ve always kinda sucked at dodgeball. Good at throwing, good at catching, reeeally bad at dodging.

Uh, bye, I guess?

That’s fair. I guess we’ll see. Just because the camp remains open doesn’t mean that people aren’t being repatriated in a timely manner though.

So, even Panama decides “ah, well, fuck it, just kill em I guess”, that’s still on us.

I do agree with this. We do have some culpability in the way they are treated until they reach their home countries.

I think I’m still missing your point about “if they CAN go anywhere else, why are they being held in Panama?” though. I think it’s a show of force on Trump’s part, exercising his leverage over Panama from the threat of stealing the canal. I don’t think Trump cares about what happens to the migrants once they’re in Panama, so I don’t really see a reason for Panama to purposefully mistreat them, when they don’t seem to have the incentives to do so that the US does.

If I’m still missing something (other than your healthy inherent distrust of governments, including Panama’s), definitely do let me know.

I’m deeply skeptical of this whole “oh, they’re just innocent lil camps outside of our own borders and laws where the media can’t easily check, why are you suspicious lmao?” narrative.

This is a very fair and respectable position to take.

I’m also of the belief that people should live and work where they please, and that national borders are the tools of oppressors.

Here we will have to disagree (not that national borders can’t be tools of oppressors, but that they are inherently so). I’ve enjoyed our conversation - you’ve given me the benefit of the doubt here, unlike many other commenters, and I very much appreciate your good faith comments.

And what does that have to do with the Panama camps mentioned in the article? People in this thread seem to have a really, really difficult time staying on topic.

No u lmao gotteeeeeem

These kinds of operations always end up scooping up actual US citizens. That’s what happens when you break a few eggs to make an omelette.

Sure, but again, that’s a US problem and not really a Panamanian one that I can tell. Also, as I mentioned in my other comment, it’s a false dichotomy to argue that the way US enforces immigration is bad, so therefore no immigration enforcement can be allowed at all.

The countries of origin might either not be known (in the case of someone in the country since they were a small child) or might not recognize them as a citizen for a variety of reasons, including paperwork cock-ups.

If that proves to be the case, then yes, Panama will have the responsibility to find a humane resolution to the situation. That has very little bearing on the immediate situation described by the article though.

It seems that in your responses here you’re often conflating a lot of your opinions about immigration policy in general with the specifics of the situation at hand, which is what I’m specifically talking about. I’m happy to discuss immigration more generally, as I did in my other comment, but again, I don’t think many of the points you’ve made so far are very relevant.

The country of origin might refuse to repatriate the person, because you can’t just dump a shitload of people on a poor country all at once and expect no consequences.

The country has responsibility for their citizens anyway though. Refusal to repatriate is then on that country, not on Panama or the US. If that country is so concerned about its ability to repatriate its citizens, it should do a better job of making sure they’re not placed in that position.

This whole thing is honestly like when a cartoon character sticks a shotgun in a hole and ends up blowing their own ass off. That’s us right now.

Maybe so, but it’s the US’s right to make that determination, and it’s a right that (with all of the specific caveats of we’re doing a horrible job of it and most people are interested in it for the cruelty, etc.) I fundamentally support.

You should always, always have a healthy doubt of the government.

This is always a true and refreshing statement to hear, and trust me, I have no inherent faith in the Panamanian government in general. I just see no reason to assume all of these horrible things when a) there’s no evidence that that’s the case and b) just because some idiotic talking head is trying to emotionally manipulate me into doing so.

Nope - I just don’t see any reason to assume the worst of a government when I have no evidence that they deserve that assumption. If this were about a camp actually in the US, I’d be a lot more prepared to believe that the conditions were inhumane.