How dare you come in here with your facts. These people need to be angry about scientific racism!
Next you’re gonna tell me that because I have blue eyes that I am much more sensitive to bright lights than someone with darker colored eyes. You’re just eye racist!
… I never said that? I said blue eyes are more light sensitive than darker eyes. This is verifiably true.
Everyone should have polarized sun glasses, but the level of discomfort someone with blue eyes and someone with brown eyes will have while dealing with the same sunny conditions will be quite different. I have very light blue eyes. Some have called them “icey”. I cannot deal with pretty much any sunlight and I can also have reflections trigger horrible migraines. It’s well documented that lighter colored eyes tend to struggle more often with brightness levels. Kinda like how putting some dark paint on your upper cheeks helps significantly while working outside as it cuts down on the light being bounced into your own eyes by your cheeks.
The problem is that RFK is essentially saying that, not that you said it. Genetic differences shouldn’t be used as a “reason” to deny people proper medical care.
Your example of blue eyes not being scientific racism came across as defending RFK’s stance, so my apologies if I misread. I am against denying care to anybody for any reason.
I’ll just clarify my stance I guess. I think it’s important to consider how someone’s race or genetics can alter their medical needs or risks, but I don’t think those genetics should be used to deny medical care. I do think it should be taken into consideration by their doctor though. Just like families have predisposed medical conditions some people are going to have a higher likelihood of certain things due to their race or ethnicity and it’s important that doctors take those things into consideration. Kinda like how we shouldn’t be using the same exact medical standards for both men and women. They have differences and they need to be considered at all points during care.
I generally agree then. Personally, I feel like we should focus more on individualized care needs and not so much on demographics, since differences between individuals are far greater than differences between demographics. Good doctors already allow personal needs to override any demographic-based assumptions, but it’s still unfortunately common to find bias in medicine.
The difference in gender care still upset me a ton. Multiple ex girlfriends have told me that their doctors and even the nurses don’t take their comments or requests seriously unless a guy (me in that case) is around to repeat it. Which is obviously totally fucking bullshit.
My mom was denied painkillers until her boyfriend demanded them for her.
I have legitimately heard doctors say “you know how women are, always so dramatic”. Like bitch I am 5’11" and 280 pounds, but I will cry like a baby if I have to get shots. I hate needles. Men can be dramatic too haha.
There are genetic diseases more common in each (previously isolated) population. It’s a fact which can be used to target screenings in a way that minimizes residual risks.
Many things in the list are different for socioeconomic reasons as well as genetic reasons. That doesn’t mean the genetic differences don’t exist or that scientific racism is behind them.
Racism is when you treat individuals not according to their own characteristics, but the characteristics (correctly assessed or not) attributed to their race. But public health efforts are not about individuals and often need to use racial background to help provide the care most likely to succeed.
Personal genomics will help us move to more individualized medicine, but it’s not ready or affordable enough to apply to every case at the moment.
And if you think the gaggle of idiots running the country right now (up to and including RFK Jr.) has any intent to make personal genomics affordable to anyone but themselves, I’ve got a fucking bridge to sell you.
I do not. I don’t trust RFK Jr to do anything right except possibly by accident.
Just reinforcing the point that there are legitimate and non-racist uses of race information in medicine.
Edit: Keep in mind that the comment I replied too seemed to take issue with a list of conditions related to genetics that have different propensities in different races. There are racists like Kennedy on the one side and then there are idiots on the other who think that any credence given to nature over nurture is indicative of racism and could not possibly be backed by objective facts.
How dare you come in here with your facts. These people need to be angry about scientific racism!
Next you’re gonna tell me that because I have blue eyes that I am much more sensitive to bright lights than someone with darker colored eyes. You’re just eye racist!
Nah, the problem is extrapolating that into “dark eyes don’t need sunglasses”.
… I never said that? I said blue eyes are more light sensitive than darker eyes. This is verifiably true.
Everyone should have polarized sun glasses, but the level of discomfort someone with blue eyes and someone with brown eyes will have while dealing with the same sunny conditions will be quite different. I have very light blue eyes. Some have called them “icey”. I cannot deal with pretty much any sunlight and I can also have reflections trigger horrible migraines. It’s well documented that lighter colored eyes tend to struggle more often with brightness levels. Kinda like how putting some dark paint on your upper cheeks helps significantly while working outside as it cuts down on the light being bounced into your own eyes by your cheeks.
The problem is that RFK is essentially saying that, not that you said it. Genetic differences shouldn’t be used as a “reason” to deny people proper medical care.
…and you think generic differences should be a reason to deny people proper medical care?
Am I misunderstanding your comment? I have a bit of a headache right now and I feel like I am reading your comment wrong. Please clarify.
Your example of blue eyes not being scientific racism came across as defending RFK’s stance, so my apologies if I misread. I am against denying care to anybody for any reason.
Boy now I feel all turned around.
I’ll just clarify my stance I guess. I think it’s important to consider how someone’s race or genetics can alter their medical needs or risks, but I don’t think those genetics should be used to deny medical care. I do think it should be taken into consideration by their doctor though. Just like families have predisposed medical conditions some people are going to have a higher likelihood of certain things due to their race or ethnicity and it’s important that doctors take those things into consideration. Kinda like how we shouldn’t be using the same exact medical standards for both men and women. They have differences and they need to be considered at all points during care.
I generally agree then. Personally, I feel like we should focus more on individualized care needs and not so much on demographics, since differences between individuals are far greater than differences between demographics. Good doctors already allow personal needs to override any demographic-based assumptions, but it’s still unfortunately common to find bias in medicine.
The difference in gender care still upset me a ton. Multiple ex girlfriends have told me that their doctors and even the nurses don’t take their comments or requests seriously unless a guy (me in that case) is around to repeat it. Which is obviously totally fucking bullshit.
My mom was denied painkillers until her boyfriend demanded them for her.
I have legitimately heard doctors say “you know how women are, always so dramatic”. Like bitch I am 5’11" and 280 pounds, but I will cry like a baby if I have to get shots. I hate needles. Men can be dramatic too haha.
Where are the facts about Caucasian propensities for disease and genetic issues in the list? Partial points for the light skin point.
Incomplete facts. Science huh.
Anything to justify it.
Cystic Fibrosis was listed.
There are genetic diseases more common in each (previously isolated) population. It’s a fact which can be used to target screenings in a way that minimizes residual risks.
Many things in the list are different for socioeconomic reasons as well as genetic reasons. That doesn’t mean the genetic differences don’t exist or that scientific racism is behind them.
Racism is when you treat individuals not according to their own characteristics, but the characteristics (correctly assessed or not) attributed to their race. But public health efforts are not about individuals and often need to use racial background to help provide the care most likely to succeed.
Personal genomics will help us move to more individualized medicine, but it’s not ready or affordable enough to apply to every case at the moment.
And if you think the gaggle of idiots running the country right now (up to and including RFK Jr.) has any intent to make personal genomics affordable to anyone but themselves, I’ve got a fucking bridge to sell you.
I do not. I don’t trust RFK Jr to do anything right except possibly by accident.
Just reinforcing the point that there are legitimate and non-racist uses of race information in medicine.
Edit: Keep in mind that the comment I replied too seemed to take issue with a list of conditions related to genetics that have different propensities in different races. There are racists like Kennedy on the one side and then there are idiots on the other who think that any credence given to nature over nurture is indicative of racism and could not possibly be backed by objective facts.