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Obligatory, fuck Spez
They helped elect trump
You’re blaming people who shoot their mouths off online for a fascist coup orchestrated by russian and US oligarchs?
Ummmm . . . Yyyyyes.
Yeah, they were bigly into making sure trump won.
How’d they trick the Dems into a bad nominee?
Oh you didn’t like Harris’ . . . what. Appeal? Her . . policy positions? And in the face of all of the insanity and horror you’ll now experience and all the pain you’ll watch people go through, you’re still fussy about it huh?
Is it still confusing? Is it? That’s a shame. It could not be a simpler choice. Hit yourself and the people you love in the head with a brick, or have some okay ice cream. You still wanna complain about the ice cream.
Sure, I’m not a fan of Harris. I wouldn’t support anyone who will arm a genocide.
But this isn’t about my position. This is about years of polling showing that Harris was always unpopular. You claimed people other than the Dems were to blame. So again, how did anyone trick the Dems into running a nominee who couldn’t win?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/27/kamala-harris-advisers-internal-polling/76626278007/
No. No, it’s not.
This is about letting trump win by not supporting his one probablistic victorious challenger.
that’s all this is about. Anything about Harris is beyond irrelevant. If you want to talk about the DNC today, or whatever party you prefer today, fine. That’s a different conversation. But that’s not what this particular line of criticism is about.
My point is that there was one act everyone needed to do by a certain date to prevent a very preventable horror that will soon engulf the world. One simple thing. One binary choice. And many people here, based on thier comments before the election and even some after, did not do that thing.
They are cretinous fools and useful idiots. They have - despite a chorus of warnings and explanations - opened the door to a generation of chaos.
So I see y’all have decided to learn nothing from this. Getting a head start on losing the next one?
Speaking of learning nothing.
yes of course, trump won because of a few hundred people on a website no one’s heard of and not, yknow, the sheer racism of the average white person (the only demographic that voted in majority for trump, btw)
be serious
I mean it is true. They did help elect Trump. Before the election there were a ton of .ml accounts doing their best to get progressives to be politically apathetic. They were indistinguishable from right wing saboteurs.
How possible do you think it is that they both independently reached the same level of political disgust with the status quo for different reasons?
It’s possible. But actively pushing the narrative that there is no point in voting on on Lemmy only helped Trump win.
If people pushed the „no point in voting“ narrative in right wing forums it would be be better.
As I said people encouraging left leaning (in the American sense) potential voters to not vote is what right wing saboteurs would do.
Existing in those spaces heavily, I disagree that the push was towards not voting, the heavy criticism I saw was towards that only see political action as voting. Further, acknowledging the reality that interests of the ruling class, or palestinians, is not on a ballet.
This just seems so far from impactful. The narrow slice of people that exist on lemmy, were in the set of states that actually decide elections, and also are politically influenced by it enough to change their vote, is such a tiny number of people. Do you really find it to be a worthwhile point to attack rather than the failures of democrats to recognize and push back against the decades long project of fascism that has been built by the republicans?
I strongly agree that it was ultra low impact. But in the results where the same. It has the exact same impact as would a right winger saboteur saying the same. The same end goal would be helped. And this case the right wing benefits.
I think a better approach would be for those left wing (in the non American sense) spaces to push voter apathy in right wing spaces.
Then on top encouraging action and organization of the left.
I don’t think the approach is to sway voters, and wasting time trying to salt right wing forums into helplessness seems like a poor use of time. The reason folks posted it here is that they were recreationally and airing their grievances, as well as pushing the idea that political action and thought needs to exist outside elections to those that are closer to them, but are otherwise politically disengaged in non-election years.
Helping doesn’t mean being the #1 reason